American auto-entrench tactic and entrenching in general

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American auto-entrench tactic and entrenching in general

Here's a tactic that I rarely see used. American LIs in V+ have the special ability to automatically entrench, even in enemy land. Entrench your LIs next to an important city and you can basically win the game, since you can't really beat entrenched LIs without massive losses, and Americans usually have a lot of LIs from TCA. Here's an example of me using it:

Entrenching is underused in general, and many players don't know how to entrench even with a general. The rule is that the unit has to be idle for 5 seconds before entrenching, and once entrenched, it must stay on stand ground, or it will move out of the entrenchment. So to accomplish entrenchment with the general:

1. Put your archers and LIs on hold fire (hotkey: shift+h)
2. Wait a couple seconds
3. Choose general and hit entrench (hotkey: b)
4. Put your archers and LIs on stand ground (hotkey: shift+g)

This can be really helpful when defending a chokepoint city on a map where the only attack can go through that city.

For Americans only, you can entrench LIs, even in enemy land, without a general, as I did above. This can basically win you a game if you entrench next to an important city:

1. Put your LIs on hold fire
2. Wait until the LIs entrench
3. Put your LIs on stand ground

While selecting troops, you can also use the scroll wheel to change the density of the formation, which can add to the firepower of the entrenchment. By default the formation is two deep, but with a lot of LIs a four deep formation may be a better idea.

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http://www.anarchyunleashed.com/viewtopic.php?t=251

An example of a game that was won by using entrenchment.

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Wow!

thanks a lot. I wish we had more of such great tactics tips.

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Put your senate in the way of the attacking army (predictive of course), they'll often destroy it for you with careless use of cannons, helping you save a capsack (rebuild elsewhere)

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Anyone who lets the Americans get to that point is beatable.

I am Unbeatable.

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just a little something sims, u don't actually need to have the troops on stand ground stance because once they are entrenched they will only move if u order them to, same as general using ambush, ur units will only attack under ambush if u order them too, otherwise they will simply ignore the enemy

nice strat btw, i think entrench done by generals can only be done on friendly territory, i never noticed that americans could entrench on enemy terrain, kudos for u I-m so happy

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PAPi wrote:

just a little something sims, u don't actually need to have the troops on stand ground stance because once they are entrenched they will only move if u order them to, same as general using ambush, ur units will only attack under ambush if u order them too, otherwise they will simply ignore the enemy

nice strat btw, i think entrench done by generals can only be done on friendly territory, i never noticed that americans could entrench on enemy terrain, kudos for u I-m so happy

Check image, they can entrench on enemy territory, cause they are on enemy territory.

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Americans can. And i think that "stand-ground" is necessary. .D

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American auto-entrench tactic and entrenching in general

Stand ground isnt necessary (I do it with defensive stance). Units need to not move from the moment u give the entrench command till they are entrenched. Not sure about standing still and firing. Maybe they need to be idle?

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I think american auto-entrench needs the units to stand still and not to fire.

And units that are on defensive stance sometimes move and de-entrench themselves. So i woul dlisten to what Sims writes Wink .

Until someone proves otherwise Biggrin

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Once they dig in they dont move until you tell them to. Had them on defensive stance. Tested not long ago;)

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it's quite simple, if u want to entrench the units you cant move them and cant fire them while the general is completing the work. after entrench is done u can put them on any stance cauz they wont move. pisses me off sometimes that im entrenching and some enemy unit appears and my units fire automatically and screws the entrench, so i usuallly put units on HOLD FIRE stance while the entrenching order is in progress.

Galahad i said i didnt know that american LI entrenched in enemy terrain, that's why i was surprised and said it, cauz it shows in the image I-m so happy

dont listen to petek btw he is noob Smile

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Biggrin

I will try some stances.

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Nice and very interesting tac. I'll have to try it out.

But it's only a 33% damage reduction from from frontal damage, not from the sides or behind which leads to you having a weak rear and flanks.

I agree entrenching is incredibly useful if your enemy gives you the time to do so, but it's better used at chokepoints (like between mountains/forests etc), where you know it will be hard/costly for your enemy to get around and in your back.

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HarryP wrote:

Nice and very interesting tac. I'll have to try it out.

But it's only a 33% damage reduction from from frontal damage, not from the sides or behind which leads to you having a weak rear and flanks.

I agree entrenching is incredibly useful if your enemy gives you the time to do so, but it's better used at chokepoints (like between mountains/forests etc), where you know it will be hard/costly for your enemy to get around and in your back.

there are other things u have to take in consideration in this, like if u are entrenched u are ready to fire, while enemy will be moving, the simple fact that one army is stoped and ready and the other is on the move is enough to kill one third of the units

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Well, you don't need to be entrenched to be standing still and ready, so that's a general bonus, not only applied when entrenched.

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HarryP wrote:

Well, you don't need to be entrenched to be standing still and ready, so that's a general bonus, not only applied when entrenched.

yeah but u need to be standing still to be entrenched, and an entrenched army will always beat a similar sized army that is on the move even if u flank it.

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If they're identical, yes.

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HarryP wrote:

If they're identical, yes.

Only similar is required

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Well yes, similar is enough. But what if you let them entrench and then order them to attack the city like he has here? Takes just a second or two while you're microing something else for your opponent to get a hold of the situation. Also, getting taken in the rear isn't all that rare in enemy territory, is it? Blum 3

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To be honest this whole 'flanked' idea and hit in the rear idea has never been the reality in ron, imo. Its over simplyfying. Also, he builds HC so i build HI! again, its just not reality. If you've ever played someone who has fought HC HI to the death then they were a noob.

Once you get to a half decent level, you should always know where your opponents army is and roughly at least, its size and composition. A good player constantly pressures his opponent to find strengths and weaknesses and to take advantage.

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